 | Stash Space Response from BlizzCon Panel(1) | Category: ItemsNovember-8-2014 8:18 AM PST (9 years ago)  |
| So the question was posed yesterday about adding stash space from the audience. And the reply was “if we give you more, you will continue to ask for moreâ€. Are you serious? What a condescending way to not only answer a valid question, but an arrogant and uniformed designer. They are hyping up adding more Ancient items and sets, all the while affecting the synergy of certain classes, meaning that you will need to use other gear so hope you saved some. This means that stash space is ever more important if they keep messing with what we need to farm and affecting what is theoretically end game gear. I know the stash space had been debated ad nauseum, but simply give 1 tab for farming mats and gems and 1 tab PER character that every user has. You have 9 characters, you get 10 tabs. Yes unlimited is nice, but reality is there has to be something better then what we have now. They are unwilling to even consider raising the stack quantities as a partial solution, so do something about the tabs we can have. 
Horder problems. I store a lot of gear in my stash. But yesterday I did some cleaning 60 souls was just sitting there taking up space.
Josh & Wyatt need to go imo, we need developers passionate about the play base, instead they exude apathy.
That was a valid answer and very true too. If they add say two new stash tabs, within a few weeks somebody wants more and there we are again.
“if we give you more, you will continue to ask for more†Being the corporate juggernaut Blizzard is, I'm actually surprised they haven't tried to exploit this through a cash shop. Literally, there are tons of people expressing their will to throw money at them to have more stash space. You'd expect a money-first driven company to jump on such a lucrative opportunity in a blink.
Unfortunately, what i see here is that they don't even realize what would be considered "reasonable" stash amount.
This is like someone giving you 1 pea for dinner. You will ask for more if you get more. WTF? A least give us a serving of !@#$%^- peas. Reasonable - is it too much to ask. Current stash - unreasonable for people who play more than 2-3 classes unless you mule. If muling is the "solution", then give us adequent tools to manage mule inventory. *!@#$%^.
That was a valid answer and very true too. If they add say two new stash tabs, within a few weeks somebody wants more and there we are again. The answer given, by this logic, could be applied to any question. You want more legendaries? If we give you more, you'll just want more. You want more end game viable builds? If we give you more, you'll just want more. The answer given would never, ever be a valid answer. It wasn't a valid answer when we were 5 years old and it came from our parents, it isn't a valid answer now. This game does not belong to Blizzard. It belongs to the people who paid for it. If there is something that much, if not all, of the player base wants, in order for Blizzard to continue to have a faithful customer base, they cannot ignore what a reasonable customer base wants. The only valid reasons that could possibly be given for not giving the customers what they want is that it is not a reasonable request, it is too expensive to implement, or not enough customers want it. So which is it Blizzard?
The stash space issue is one that would be easily solved by asking. How many classes are there in the game? 6. Ok so 1 for each class and then 2-3 more for crafting and other items. I think most would get by with that with the exception of the most severe horders.
Yeah, it was a terrible response. I could see if they've given us multitudes of stash space in the past, but that isn't been the case.
Don't they look at other games? The stash space in comparison is awful, and this is a paid game. If muling is the "solution", then give us adequent tools to manage mule inventory. It shouldn't be, but it's basically the only option now if you want to save gear for multiple builds for multiple characters. As I said in another thread, Blizzard's campaign of "playing the game our way" is sort of difficult because we can't save multiple pieces of gear for experimenting with different builds. Oh, and you play seasons? Good luck finding a place for your items in your nonseasonal stash. See you in season 2! That was a valid answer and very true too. If they add say two new stash tabs, within a few weeks somebody wants more and there we are again. So we're on stash tab allowance now? How about doing the obvious: Every character gets a personal stash, and then there's a global stash, like many, many games have done. I still can't believe we're getting abused on stash. It made sense back in the RMAH days when they wanted us to sell excess gears either for money or gold to "create content," but now it's just annoying.
get rid of your crap items and you got lots of space to play with
Seems to be pretty clear to me that the majority of these guys don't play their game to the extent we do. It is beyond me how you can have 2-3 sets character and only have 6 stash tabs. Talking about stash ad nauseum is useless. The devs won't address this anytime soon because it doesn't even seem like they care. Their answer to weak legendaries was to make stronger versions of the ones that were already strong. i.e. Ancients. Foolish and lazy design is kind of the running gag with D3. Just /popcorn and see what happens. [Post edited one time, last edit by Pri#1584 at November-8-2014 9:07 AM PST (9 years ago)] | ||
 | Stash Space Response from BlizzCon Panel(501) | November-11-2014 3:15 PM PST (9 years ago) |
| This is a really great discussion with lots of constructive feedback (in fact, I'm going to raise the posting cap so that you all can continue to share your thoughts on this.) Thank you for the hearty debate, and for being such passionate members of the D3 community. As with other feedback regarding stash space, we'll make sure this conversation gets passed along to our devs. In the meantime, I hope you'll keep sharing your ideas. Please keep it on topic and constructive!
#501
11/11/2014
Its a really unnecessary problem that blizzard forces us to have. I play all 6 classes, so I have 9 mules full of gear (6 main characters, each class). Every 2-3 days I have to go through my mules gain an delete stuff since I have no room. It's not like I keep useless stuff either, for each character I like to keep every set, every gear required for the various builds. I've been meaning to create a seasonal character just for the transmog bonus, but guess what I cant. I have no character slots left.
A (very) short term remedy would be just to increase the stack sizes 10 fold. Its kind of ridiculous that trial keys stack at 100, gems and mats stack at 1000. I dont even pick up trial keys anymore because I dont want it taking it up stash space. How is that ideal gameplay?
IF Blizz makes adjustments.. aside from possibly more stash space.. i'd like better management capability. That auction House stash viewer was nice to have so you wouldnt have to be switching from character 1 to charater 7 .. make game... check what character/mule had in it's stash.. then move a few items to chest then leave game
go back to character 1.. etc.. process is tedious and would be so convenient and smooth if we could handle these logistics from a single GUI/window. (been saying since AH announcement closure... ever since then..this would be an issue... along with the new legs constantly coming.. hope we have this adjusted so players can concentrate more on exploring new builds rather than doing "inventory" hours/nights) glad a blue has shed some focus on this.
Its a really unnecessary problem that blizzard forces us to have. I play all 6 classes, so I have 9 mules full of gear (6 main characters, each class). Every 2-3 days I have to go through my mules gain an delete stuff since I have no room. It's not like I keep useless stuff either, for each character I like to keep every set, every gear required for the various builds. I've been meaning to create a seasonal character just for the transmog bonus, but guess what I cant. I have no character slots left. A (very) short term remedy would be just to increase the stack sizes 10 fold. Its kind of ridiculous that trial keys stack at 100, gems and mats stack at 1000. I dont even pick up trial keys anymore because I dont want it taking it up stash space. How is that ideal gameplay? I agree, I also play all 6 character types and there's just not enough room to keep all the good stuff I find. The people who play 2-3 character types have no business harping on people who play all 6 because we are all "hoarders". 1-3 character types = plenty of room. I need one tab for each character type, 1 tabs for crafting gems etc. and 1 tab for follower items - 8 tabs total. It's not like we are all asking for 25 additional tabs. I realize that there may be some technical issues involved here, but I really feel the developers are punishing the people who play all 6 character types by not figuring out a way to get this done. If they want to limit the number of extra tabs just make people pay for it. I believe most everyone who has a space problem would be willing to pay real money for extra storage space. $5 for 1st extra tab, $10 for 2nd extra tab and $20 for 3rd extra tab should deter a lot of people from getting them.
IF Blizz makes adjustments.. aside from possibly more stash space.. i'd like better management capability. That auction House stash viewer was nice to have so you wouldnt have to be switching from character 1 to charater 7 This.
it was the main thing i was looking forward to..
when i heard the response i had to pause the video and take a breath, it was just to sad :P this game does not have enough space, i tried salvaging a lot, but when you use all classes, and some sets have various element builds..its impossible to not use mules.
That was a valid answer and very true too. If they add say two new stash tabs, within a few weeks somebody wants more and there we are again. But not if they add 20 stash tabs. Then your little scenario won't happen to anyone except a very tiny percentage with real hoarding problems.
I have to agree that dedicated tabs for materials and gems are a really good idea, but the most important idea is that every character has their own unique tab. Right now you have to compliment your builds with your gear so if you like to have options for your characters, you have to hold on to a lot of different legendaries to match the builds you like to play. Having a tab for each character would help keep that character from over crowding the stash.
That was a valid answer and very true too. If they add say two new stash tabs, within a few weeks somebody wants more and there we are again. But not if they add 20 stash tabs. Then your little scenario won't happen to anyone except a very tiny percentage with real hoarding problems. It was most certainly not a valid answer. It begs the question. Meaning that it's a type of logical fallacy and as a response in an argument, not valid (nor sound). A valid answer would have been to discuss the space with regards to each class and how many legendary items (or gear worth keeping) that is included in the game. It would be one thing for Blizzard to tell us that space is allotted based on need and game play. But they did not. Which likely means that it's just randomly allotted space and since they added a new tab last big update, don't want to add anymore. And that would have been a more palpable answer: "dude, we just added another tab in 2.1." (Which is of course still not enough.) From looking at the screen, they could add one more column and two per rows and two more tabs easily. Because if everyone has to make a mule, then clearly there is a problem.
I just had to stop playing because I was getting items and didn't want to risk getting rid of something that would be useful. There is still a chance that I did so anyway. But I have to figure out what types of build combos can do T6, what stats are the minimum, and what items are mandatory. Then you have to consider the fact that this T6 build most likely will not do well in Grifts. So then you need more items to make other builds.
As with other feedback regarding stash space, we'll make sure this conversation gets passed along to our devs. In the meantime, I hope you'll keep sharing your ideas. Please keep it on topic and constructive! The problem is one of magnitude. The question is how much stash is adequate for this game in its current form? My answer? I want one tab for each equipment slot. ... For each class. ... Plus a couple for other odds and ends. - 6 classes - 12 equipment slots - 3 followers - crafting mats - reg gems - leg gems - rift keys - uber items This is a lot of stuff. The equivalent of 74 tabs is my estimate for reasonable stash. That's almost 15 times the amount of the current stash. And my thoughts are in no way unreasonable. The devs are off by a significant order of magnitude on this. Not only that, there are other fun things that can be done with stash.... maybe have build tabs where one can set up builds to switch between with a single click? Sounds interesting... edit add: the fact that devs think the current stash space is adequate is telling. There are a lot that think the devs do not know what they are doing with the game. Their position on this helps reinforce that notion. If the devs are actually serious about expanding the cache of useful legendary items...and balancing skills, etc..... 74 tabs for 6 classes, 12 equipment slots, 3 followers, and other items is a much, much more reasonable number than 5. 74 is an actual educated number based on assumptions that an average player would want to save a certain number of items for various builds. 5 tabs is not even remotely reasonable. [Post edited one time, last edit by adm0ni#1887 at November-12-2014 4:03 AM PST (9 years ago)] | ||
