 | PTR is an Act 3 nerf(1) | Category: GeneralApril-9-2013 1:17 PM PDT (10 years ago)  |
| <Edited> EDIT: I realize that it is not as significant as a nerf as I (or others) have made it seem to be. In reality, for most players, 1.08 is a HUGE buff for exp. ( The vast majority of players are Paragon Softcore Leveling) However, this could interfere with levels 1 - 60 and Hardcore. In an attempt to answer a different question... OP Here Let me re-iterate some points that were missed altogether by essentially everyone. First, let me say that part of my original argument did lack some credibility as far as level 60 and beyond because I did not realize that NV was buffed so much! The part that was missed entirely was the repercussions to the natural leveling process (1 - 60) on softcore and hardcore. So let's get this straight: A) Having multiple choices is a good thing. B) Removing silly exploits from the game is a good thing. (Farming SPECIFICALLY demon lobsters) C) Interrupting the natural level process is a bad thing. So part of my current curiosity is how the natural leveling process will work in 1.08? Obviously, it's not a huge amount of experience, so I'm interested in how it will affect 1-60. (Hopefully not more grinding between those levels!) IF there is repercussions to this, then players may find themselves repeating act 3 a couple of times in anticipation of act 4 (which is still easily the most difficult and least rewarding of all of the acts). As far as "efficiency" and "leveling" or "optimization" and whatever is concerned, there is no reason to be upset because the changes to NV and Multi-Player conditions will make Paragon leveling unbelievably easy. The goal of this thread was not to bash players and Blizzard employees by the way. (Thank you for the reply and the link!) The patch 1.08 is a much-needed, and wonderful improvement to Diablo 3 and Blizzard is headed in the right direction as far as game design is concerned. Please read posts before jumping to conclusions and being openly hostile. :-) [Post edited two times, last edit by Feralheart#1686 at April-10-2013 7:08 PM PDT (10 years ago)] | ||
 | PTR is an Act 3 nerf(21) | April-9-2013 6:16 PM PDT (10 years ago) |
| Just in case you may have missed it, here's Wyatt's explanation for why Tormented Stingers and Stygian Crawlers (scorpions) had their experience nerfed: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1bjorz/developer_journal_multiplayer_improvements/c97i0sm Scorpions have had their XP reduced. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. We looked and considered buffing everything else instead, but in light of the multiplayer buffs we were already providing, we didn't want to inflate the game as a whole even further. Specifically, Scorpions have had their XP reduced by 75%. That probably sounds like a lot at an emotional level, because it's never fun to have a source of XP reduced by that much, but I hope some can agree if you think about it - a mallet lord is worth 1.5x the xp a scorpion is. And that's not just mallet lords, most of the monsters in the game are within a certain reasonable ratio of one another and the scorpions were a very obvious outlier. Also, just reiterating what others have said, Nephalem Valor stacks are now multiplicative, not additive. The simple calculation is: [ 100%(base) + bonus from MP + helm ruby + ring] * [1 + Up to 0.75 from NV + Up to 0.30 for multiplayer] To get a better feel, you might want to check out this discussion over on /r/diablo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1bz86d/nephalem_valor_stacks_are_now_multiplicative/ It just felt really strange to us to have a relatively easy monster providing as much as experience as monsters that are notably more challenging. Either way, seems like a pretty reasonable trade-off to me. You should log on to the PTR and test it out! :) [Post edited one time, last edit by Lylirra at April-9-2013 10:22 PM PDT (10 years ago)] | ||
| PTR is an Act 3 nerf(27) | April-9-2013 6:40 PM PDT (10 years ago) |
Posted by: Thunder You guys up at blizzard would have never noticed hadnt it been for moldran. Customer satisfaction 3/10... You guys come up with only ideas of others, aka Paragon levels: Kripparian... good going blizz. Damn us if we listen to player feedback. Curse us if we don't. We make changes that we believe are good for the health of the game. Sometimes, those changes are going to be nerfs, sometimes they're going to be buffs. Sometimes they're going to be the result of internal testing, and sometimes they're going to be a product of player discussion. In this case, there's both a buff and a nerf, and they come from a combination of sources. We feel the game is in a better place because of them, though, and we hope that players will agree. (If not, PTR is the best time to tell us!) Before you criticize too much, maybe hop on the PTR and see what you think? | ||
| PTR is an Act 3 nerf(31) | April-9-2013 6:52 PM PDT (10 years ago) |
Posted by: alikim So for me, you just completely destroyed Act3 and you call it an improvement. This is just ugly. Thanks for your feedback! Have you gotten the opportunity to test those changes on the PTR? | ||
| PTR is an Act 3 nerf(79) | April-9-2013 10:17 PM PDT (10 years ago) |
Yes, I have of course before posting here, spent a few hours there yesterday, nobody saw any huge improvements in Act2, Act3 is ruined completely and I doubt people will like Act4 just because you put more mobs that they don't like in there. Act1 looks better but since it's Act1 you get way less XP there than in Act3 anyway. All other things being equal people tend to play the highest Act for more XP. What amazes me is that when you are asked to make other Acts better to be competitive with Act3, you instead trash Act3 so other Acts look better. Thanks for following up. :) Why do you think Act III has "been ruined"? Is it simply because of the XP reduction for scorpions, or is it something else entirely? Posted by: LegitBeastin Hey Lylirra, I hopped on to PTR and enjoyed the changes very much! However Act 4 still has a pitiful amount of Elites, will something ever be done about no one ever going to Act4? At least people have been going to Act1 for Ubers and Act2 for VoTA runs but Act4 is still the black sheep of farming. We're paying super close attention to player feedback regarding density and definitely aren't opposed to making further adjustments during PTR. If you want, there's a great thread that breaks down density feedback by Act/zone over in the PTR forum: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8569308335 Please feel free to chime in! | ||
| PTR is an Act 3 nerf(138) | April-10-2013 6:31 PM PDT (10 years ago) |
Posted by: MasterJay Your tears don't even taste good..do what Lylirra says and get your unknowledgeable self on PTR before crying. (Pssst.) :) | ||
