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Request for BLUE response on state of Monks..(1)Category: PTR FeedbackOctober-3-2012 11:45 AM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
I posted this in the monk forum but perhaps this is a better place to be seen:


I hope you have seen the concerns people have had regarding the monk in 1.05 however we have gotten zero feedback on the issue. The monk player base feels that the class is so weak as of now on the PTR that they are selling off their entire gear sets and switching to different classes. If you take a look at the monk section of the forums you will see many threads on the front page of high end monks calling it quits. I don't agree that they should be selling yet since patch 1.05 is not final, but with so little effort on your part to communicate that something is being done, people are losing faith.

Please at the least let us know that there is or is not rebalancing going on behind Blizzard doors to ensure that this class remains viable. Some sort of response is needed.

Thank you for your assurances in advance, we all appreciate the hard work you are all doing.
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Request for BLUE response on state of Monks..(7)October-3-2012 5:35 PM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
We feel that monks are in a decent place at the moment, and are a solid class in terms of power, but there are some things that we would like to address with the class. Namely: we would like to delve deeper into fulfilling the fantasy of what it means to be a monk.

Currently, monks spend a lot of their time applying an assortment of DPS buffs through the use of utility and survivability buttons. The bulk of monk damage comes from very passive gameplay, like healing yourself to get a damage buff, or applying Sweeping Winds and not looking at it again. We want to give players who enjoy the fantasy of being a blur of fists and feet a more active playstyle, and we’d love to play up some other fun mechanics as well.

For example, one possibility we’re considering is changing one of Dashing Strike’s runes to allow players to travel further with the skill so that it can serve as a mobility tool, but at the cost of imposing a cooldown. Another possibility we’re exploring is making Lashing Tail Kick feel more compelling by moving the knockback component to a rune, or changing a rune to remove the knockback and instead increase the damage more meaningfully. These types of changes are not minor tweaks, however. We want to make sure we take some time to make meaningful changes that improve the overall play experience for these sacred warriors.
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Request for response on state of Monks..(629)October-4-2012 7:21 PM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
While there are currently solid build options for monks both in 1.0.4 and 1.0.5, and while top-tiered monks using very specific builds can achieve respectable damage, the class isn’t yet where we want it to be. We’re definitely aware of your concerns, and we agree that additional improvements should be made, especially with regards to play style options, build diversity, and the performance and budget of monk resources. We feel that the monk has the most potential for improvement, and we have plans to make more changes to the monk after 1.0.5. The sort of changes we’d like to make are not simple number tweaks, though.

Ultimately, we want to make monks more engaging to play and really immerse players in what it would feel like to be a fast-punching martial arts master. We have a number of ideas on how to accomplish that for the future, and we want to provide improved passives, particularly passives that can be used for a more offensively-minded monk. I also mentioned two other possible changes we’re considering in my previous post, but those certainly aren’t the only changes we’re looking into. They address another area we feel could use improvement, and that’s giving players some additional, more active play style options.

We have more improvements planned and they’re still only in the discussion phase, so we’re not really in a place right now to talk about them in much detail, but we’re actively working towards solutions to address many key concerns.
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Request for response on state of Monks..(889)October-5-2012 11:13 AM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: GothicSaint

Your first post saying monks are SOLID CLASS in terms of power....

Correct, but that's only one variable when it comes to class balance. In terms of power, we feel that monks are doing pretty well. But in terms of build and play style diversity, resource management and budgeting, and offensive passives, we feel that there's still room for improvement. There's a lot that works for monks right now, but there are definitely areas that could be better.

Posted by: Kegsta

Oh, and what is with this "we can't just tweek numbers to ballance the class" do you read your own patch notes? what was the last game mechanic change you made that did not involve either "doubling it" or cutting it in half? WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE? of course you can tweek numbers to buff weak skills. ugh all you ever do with your patches is change a variable in a formula and now all of a sudden you can't? who actually believes this load?

I think you may have misunderstood. The kinds of changes we're currently considering for monks (the changes we feel would best benefit the class) go beyond simply upping one number or lowering another. The examples Vaeflare provided for Dashing Strike and Lashing Tail Kick fall into this category. Adjusting numbers is fairly easy to do, but redesigning how a skill or skill rune works is much more complex. While we still may tweak some skill values in the future, right now we're looking at changes that require a little more development time.

As for "what was the last mechanic change you made that did not involve either 'doubling it' or cutting it in half"? From 1.0.5, the changes to Companion and Sentry are great examples, and we're redesigning some runes this patch too. From 1.0.4, witch doctor pet improvements were pretty notable. We also changed the format for how damage over time is dealt for a number of skills, as well.

Posted by: Teufelhunde

Ohh I get it, you mean nerfing OWE, right?

What Wyatt said previously still holds true:

    In terms of passives, it's pretty clear at this point that One With Everything is considered a mandatory passive for all monks. While "mandatory" passives aren't great, making any major change would do more harm than good, particularly when a) incoming damage is so high and b) monks need the extra durability in order to survive. Additionally, as a result of this passive, monks are more heavily tied to their current gear, so making changes to One With Everything would have very noticeable negative repercussions to the gear monks have invested in.

    While we'd prefer that there wasn't an "absolutely mandatory" passive, we're going to let this one ride for now. If we do try to make changes we'll ideally do it in a way that doesn't invalidate the passive, doesn't hurt monk survivability, and doesn't undermine the gear people are currently wearing.

We don't have any changes planned for OWE right now. That may change, but if it does, we'd still want our approach to be as outlined above.
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Request for response on state of Monks..(895)October-5-2012 11:27 AM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
When you guys look into build diversity, it'd be nice if you took some of these proposed changes to our combination strikes into consideration: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6607333164?page=1

I'll take a look. :)

(And, no, this doesn't mean I haven't seen all the other threads players have posted. This forum has kept me very busy with all the feedback you've provided. Keep it up!)
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Request for response on state of Monks..(907)October-5-2012 11:36 AM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
I have been under the impression that while there is no specific change planned for OWE, there is a plan that OWE will eventually be changed somehow to make it a less mandatory passive.

You're correct, that's still the plan. I'm just saying we don't have any specific changes for OWE at the moment.
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Request for response on state of Monks..(919)October-5-2012 11:53 AM PDT (6 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: RYAN

Tell us kindly the good reason in nerfing the defense passives when 90% of monk's passives

Just so that I know that we're on the same page, have you had the opportunity to read this developer journal, yet? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/7155884/ (It was written a few weeks ago, so it may have been missed.)

It goes pretty in depth into why we're making changes to defensive skills, and breaks down each change class-by-class.
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