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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(1)Category: GeneralJanuary-22-2014 4:41 AM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Multiple streamers / youtubers are invited over to Paris and have all traveling costs covered, they are even paying the travel cost for KingKongor that has to come all the way from Canada.

KingKongor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC_WGfP4EbE

Moldran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP45BCyWZv4

Probably a good move, these guys will probably be hyping RoS more after that.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(60)January-22-2014 10:54 AM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
It's a community summit, wherein in fan sites and influencers from all of our different Blizzard communities (SC2, WoW, D3, and HS) based in Europe are invited to the local office in Versailles to come hang out, meet other players, meet the EU community team and learn a bit more about how they operate, and provide feedback about what the EU community team could be doing better. Our EU community team does this on the yearly, and we've had similar summits here in the US as well. (To my knowledge, this is actually the first year that the EU team has invited players who aren't directly affiliated with fan sites. They've hosted these summits for something like 5 years now, though -- which makes me wonder why this year's summit is suddenly causing concern.)

It's not a press tour or anything of the kind, particularly it since includes fan sites/influencers from all of our games, not just D3. It's more about getting some members of the local community together, understanding how everyone could work together better, and generally facilitating mingling among like-minded people ("like minded-people" = fan sites and influencers from all of Blizzard's different gaming communities).

edited to add a little clarity
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(89)January-22-2014 11:53 AM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Acrimony

Understanding how everyone could work better to do what exactly?


How better to serve the community.

A summit like this gives the EU community team a chance to say "Hey, this is who we are and what we do. Here are our main goals and challenges. And here are some ways we could work together to better serve the community."

In turn, it gives EU fan sites and influencers (people who serve the community as well in their own way) a chance to say "Hey, this is who we are and what we do. Here are our main goals and challenges. And here are some ways the community team can help us better serve the community."

As noted, this is something that the EU community team has been hosting for years now and all the gaming communities are represented, not just D3. The summit itself is not really about giving game feedback, though (since we have a lot of channels for that already); it's about improving/building relationships with members of the community who are also supporting the community itself and figuring out ways that we can help each other do what we do better.

Posted by: KingD

So....Only streamers and youtuber's are community?


Not at all. They're just one part of it (albeit typically a part that does that whole "members of the community who are also supporting the community itself" thing).

If you have an issue with who specifically was invited, that's fine. I can absolutely pass that info along to our EU community team.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(100)January-22-2014 12:34 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Either you are insulting our intelligence or are just really naive.

This is nothing but a lame (albeit effective) way for Blizzard to earn some quid pro quo with people who have influence on others opinions about the quality/buyability of a product that your company just so happens to have for sale.


Sincere question: You think it's better that we (we = community managers) don't meet with or otherwise try to work with fan sites and other influencers to figure out how we can better support the player community?

If your answer is "yes," that's cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree. But I'm curious why you think that kind of relationship and outreach isn't actually meaningful or worth the investment.

Speaking on behalf of the US community team, we think our fan site owners (like Diablo Fans and Diablo IncGamers), YouTubers (like RedTeamGaming and Quelric), as well as lot of streamers (like Archon, DatModz, MadMori, and cdxliv) -- just to name a few in each category -- have done a lot and do a lot to build and support the D3 community. It's important to us to in turn support that as much as possible, since it helps a lot of players in a very real way. Summits are just one way to do that; for EU, I think summits work out well due to how many fan sites and influencers there are in Europe itself across all the different game communities, and getting everyone in one place at one time is helpful (or at least has proven to be useful in the five previous years they've done this kind of thing).
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(106)January-22-2014 12:51 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: TheSaint

I sincerely hope you don't believe this. I'm not trying to troll you, this is just insanity. These guys aren't talk show host, they have people who watch them play video games. Many people don't even care to hear commentary, they just want to watch them play the game, and majority of the time that's all it is.

Wow this planet is messed up.


I do believe it, and if that makes me a little mad in your mind, so be it. I've certainly been called worse. :)

I think streamers including, but not limited to MadMori, Moldran, Archon, Jaetch, DatModz (plus the folks at IncGamers, Reddit Diablo, and Diablo Fans who stream) can do a lot of good for a community -- not only because they often aim to help their viewers, but also because they provide entertainment. And, of course, players enjoy it.

They also frequently interact with other members of the community and, more often than not, generate a ton of constructive feedback. They get players talking about things, which helps us gather the information we need to pass on. Essentially, they're information brokers without really realizing it.

Sure, it's somewhat self-serving, but given how much time some of these guys (and gals) dedicate to streaming, I'm glad they're able to get something out of it.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(109)January-22-2014 12:55 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Always appreciate the ideas and criticisms, TheSaint. Keep'm coming.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(116)January-22-2014 1:10 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: yumyumyum

honestly with bliz sending out beta keys to these bozos and not to the ppl who still play the game is just shameful and not this?


Just an FYI, another 3k+ beta keys went out last Friday to active players (1k to NA players, 1k to EU players, and 1k to Asia players), bringing the opt-in total to about 20k at this point. On the flip side, individual keys have only gone out to about 500 players worldwide, many of which were just your average nephalem who we noticed providing great feedback here on the forums, on Twitter, in-game, and on other community sites.

As we noted earlier when it launched, Closed Beta is incredibly small and will remain small throughout its duration, but proportionally opt-ins absolutely dominate the invite list. That's intentional.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(123)January-22-2014 1:23 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: TeRRaRiZeR

What does any of this have to do with making great video games?


It's about building and supporting a gaming community. That's what community managers work to do. That's also what many fan sites, streamers, YouTubers, bloggers, MVPs, and -- heck -- even some players who've accrued large followings on Twitter work to do, as well, and we want to support that endeavor. In fact, there's lots of great posters here that work towards that same goal, though may not even realize it.

If you can build and a support a gaming community, that leads to great discussions and feedback, which can in turn help with making great video games. Similarly, if you can build and a support a gaming community, that also (in many cases) leads to a better overall experience with game itself -- for some players, at least, certainly not everyone.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(125)January-22-2014 1:25 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: MCHammer

I also cab understand that you invited them, but how many,?


That's not a question I can answer. I'm not a participant in the EU community summit nor have I had any hand in planning it personally. You'd need to reach out to the EU community team. :)

I'm only speaking as someone who's participated and hosted similar summits in the US.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(137)January-22-2014 1:46 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
It sounds like Blizzard is actually having a twerp party. They will pick the two biggest geeks and escort them to this party in Paris and win the bet they are having.

What better choice than a couple of Youtube Yahoo's.


You may just be trolling (I honestly can't tell), but if you're not (which may totally be the case), I just want to clarify that Moldran and KingKongor are not the only individuals invited. They're just likely the only individuals who've made videos about it. I imagine that many of the fansites listed here are also invited. There may also be some English sites invited, depending on where they're geographically located.

There will also be fan sites and influencers from all of our gaming communities in EU in attendance, not just D3.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(144)January-22-2014 2:00 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Spank

Or you can just focus on making a great video game and the community will grow around that organically


Yes, and that's what our developers are working toward. Meanwhile, the community team is working toward building and supporting the community around that game. They're definitely not mutually exclusive goals and actually go hand-in-hand (which you've suggested).

Hosting a summit doesn't hinder the first goal and directly supports the second. I understand some players may take issue with the idea of summits, and I can totally respect that. If the summits continue going well, though, I imagine the EU community team will continue to host them, as they have for about 5 years now. I also imagine they'll continue to explore other community events which include a wider audience -- like hosting get-togethers at Meltdown bars and even having open round tables at gamescom (which I actually had the opportunity to participate in this last year).

For those who may have missed it, here's the actual goal of these summits:

A summit like this gives the EU community team a chance to say "Hey, this is who we are and what we do. Here are our main goals and challenges. And here are some ways we could work together to better serve the community."

In turn, it gives EU fan sites and influencers (people who serve the community as well in their own way) a chance to say "Hey, this is who we are and what we do. Here are our main goals and challenges. And here are some ways the community team can help us better serve the community."

As noted, this is something that the EU community team has been hosting for years now and all the gaming communities are represented, not just D3. The summit itself is not really about giving game feedback, though (since we have a lot of channels for that already); it's about improving/building relationships with members of the community who are also supporting the community itself and figuring out ways that we can help each other do what we do better.


I noticed some posters assuming something different, so I just wanted to clarify. I know some blue posts are easy to miss. :)
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(148)January-22-2014 2:22 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: HeavyDuty

Oh so you guys are on the forums. Wouldn't have known from all the posts getting ignored lately, mainly about spammed invites and PVP Arena.


Vaeflare I know responded recently(ish) on the issue of friend request spam here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11204620455?page=1#13

And Wyatt actually addressed PvP pretty on the nose at BlizzCon: http://youtu.be/3Ky7Njso_1g?t=8m50s

We don't have any updates to share on either topic, I'm afraid. If we did, we would.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(160)January-22-2014 2:55 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Boges

I've been reading through this, & I have to say it's upsetting to see posts like this one get completely ignored by the moderator.

For you to claim this is all about the community, while ignoring valid concerns like this one,is upsetting.

I voted on that ask the dev's too, how do you claim to be working on community relations, when you ignore us, & ignore our effort to give you feedback?


Actually just recently posted about that in another thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11365786496?page=3#42

Sorry I missed it in this one. :)
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(167)January-22-2014 3:06 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: cheese

can you blues reply to the other MORE important threads?

this thread is so useless and pointless lol

please use your time more wisely...

thank you.


Like which ones (i.e. what do you personally define as important)?
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(171)January-22-2014 3:12 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Menacetech

Also what resource barriers did you run into?


People barriers. :) Our team was only 3 persons strong at the time, including myself, and we just didn't have enough man power to maintain the project + all the other baseline tasks on our plate. AtD is what got cut, unfortunately. I'd like to bring it back before RoS ships now that we've got Nevalistis (yay!), starting with finishing off the itemization questions. The developers have certainly been interested!
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(186)January-22-2014 3:37 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: TurdFerguson

i'm not saying that reflects poorly on you,


Nah. This one can legitimately fall on me. We've got a strong team and had I managed our other projects and timelines better (i.e. managed the resources better), it likely would have been fine. Not trying to fall on my sword or anything, just trying to place fault where it's due.

Lesson certainly learned and respected on my part.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(203)January-22-2014 3:58 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Boges

Why didn't you tell us you cut the program until now?


Pretty sure we've posted about it here and there, though granted not on the front page -- which, yeah, it probably should have gone. Not sure if it's worth making a post now, but it's something I'm totally happy to consider. We'd like to bring it back AtD back either way, at least to finish off the itemization questions, if not then continue it, but maybe in a different format based on feedback we got from participants.

Feel free to email me at lylirra@blizzard.com if you got any additional suggestions, btw!

Posted by: QED

How does a team of 3 people including yourself constitute a "strong" team? that sounds downright understaffed to me


Strength isn't always related to size, though we've definitely staffed up since that point. (Also, note that each gameplay region -- US, LatAm, EU, TW, and KR -- has their own community team, and each of those community teams is totally dedicated to supporting players in their respective regions. There's a big ol' network of us, even if we don't all work in the same office.)
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(205)January-22-2014 4:06 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: Boges

I spent time reading and voting on questions for ask the devs only to be told now that they cut the program with out telling us.
I'm done here.
Have a good day.


I respect that completely, thanks for being honest like that. I'd certainly like to make that up to you and players who feel the same way by completing the last round before patch 2.0.1/RoS ships (noted this earlier, but you may have missed the post). Would you be willing to email at lylirra@blizzard.com, like I offered before, and share your personal thoughts on what you'd like to see from AtD and how you'd like it to grow?

(That offers open to everyone, btw.)
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(212)January-22-2014 4:20 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: TheSaint

Lylirra, not trying to kick you when your down but, there are plenty of good ideas out there regarding communication.


I know, and I've probably seen most of them. Or many of them, at least. My post doesn't invalidate those at all and was more to encourage Boges specifically to share his thoughts.
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(215)January-22-2014 4:29 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Ms. Lylirra, how come you guys need to meet these cyber celebrities (that's all they really are) in person to understand what the community wants for this game? I really don't get it.


The summit actually has different goals than that. Did you read my earlier posts, out of curiosity? If not, I can link.

PS - You never bought me a beer at BlizzCon like you promised. :(
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Blizz is inviting streamers to office(235)January-22-2014 5:14 PM PST (5 years ago) Go to Blizzard forum post
Posted by: whoopadeedoo

I read your previous posts and my takeaway is the summit is primarily aimed at serving the community better.


Yup, that's the gist. Not just the D3 community, either -- but the SC2, WoW, and HS communities in Europe too (and maybe HOTS, but not sure; might be a little too early for that).

Anyway, all that said -- I've made note of all the feedback here and will be sure to pass it along to our EU counterparts. You can always reach out to them directly by posting in the EU forums, if you'd like, but I'm happy to act as the conduit if not.
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